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Re: Day 35 - Final Tribal Council.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:23:57 pm 
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I only 'betrayed' Nay because she started to throw my name around, which was proven correct. I don't 'betray' someone unless they 'betray' me first. My 'betrayal' was not unprovoked.


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Re: Day 35 - Final Tribal Council.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:24:18 pm 
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First off, congratulations, it was a lot of fun playing this game with all three of you. Well.... it was fun playing with Alina and Catalie. Lisi?... not so much. You were probably one of the worst social players who played. I even enjoyed my 3 PM's from Erinn more than all of our "conversations" combined.

Catalie, I just wanted to say, you probably played the best stategic game of the players sitting in the finals, but then hid behind a wall of guilt ridden apologies and sweet nothings. Whether it was fake or not, im not sure, but it was irritating and a slap in the face to everyone you did it to. If you make a move, OWN IT. I feel like you made moves that were unnessesary to get you where you are today. There was an easier route to the finals and you didnt take it. I dont see that as a strategically sound game. And its not sour grapes, its logic and simple numbers. You act as if you were forced into stabbing people in the back and forced to do so because of other players in the game, and if that's the case, then I think the "other players" should win.

Alina, good game. I did enjoy playing this game with you, and had I not had my distrust that you were working with Lisi, I would have loved to have tried to play further into the game with you, but you made it farther than me, so good job.

I have one question that I would like all of you to answer, and then a specific question for just Lisi and Catalie.

The question for ALL three of you is:
In a final twist, it is revealed that it is a F2, instead of a F3, and you become the last member of the jury. Who would you vote for and why?

And then my questions for Lisi/Catalie:

Lisi: Tell me what the TWO biggest strategic moves that YOU made in this game were that did NOT involve a HIDDEN IMMUNITY IDOL.

Catalie: I would like you to explain your strategy on HOW you planned to get to the F3 from the time I was voted off until the last tribal council. Basically clue me in on your endgame stategy from the moment I left, until the moment Yul left.

Once again, congratulations. Im 99% sure this is my last time playing, and although there would have been some redemption in making it farther, I enjoyed myself nonetheless. Take care everyone.

OH, I really want to thank Yul and Ian for playing this game with me, and appreciate EVERYTHING that they've done for me and for us, and its people like them that make this game enjoyable <3333


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:25:40 pm 
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Yul wrote:
I only 'betrayed' Nay because she started to throw my name around, which was proven correct. I don't 'betray' someone unless they 'betray' me first. My 'betrayal' was not unprovoked.


I get that but....you know Nay was close to me, and I saw that as somewhat of a betrayl to me, going against th e7.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:26:23 pm 
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I just want to say, that some of question to Catalie and Lisi have been answered by their opening statements, but maybe if they can just condense/specifically answer the questions again :ppp


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:28:21 pm 
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I think it's obvious I vote for Cat.

1) I think she's the bigger threat over Lisi. She probz has Brenda/Erinn's votes on lock. And I don't think they vote for Lisi so Ig et those two, and probably along with Cats.

2) Look at the relationship Lisi and I have had. We had each other's abcks since the merge. I mean...I would never vote her out, espeically once Nay and Monica wer gone.

Anything else Katie?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:28:45 pm 
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Alina wrote:
Yul wrote:
I only 'betrayed' Nay because she started to throw my name around, which was proven correct. I don't 'betray' someone unless they 'betray' me first. My 'betrayal' was not unprovoked.


I get that but....you know Nay was close to me, and I saw that as somewhat of a betrayl to me, going against th e7.


I can understand that, but I still don't think that it warrants you voting with me for two rounds and then coming to me like you never actually cared to begin with. Again, I didn't start thinking about voting for you until you blatantly said to me that you had no interest in sticking with me.

If you think that I'm going to keep Nay in the game when she's getting people to vote for me, unprovoked, then I don't know what you expect.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:29:08 pm 
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Oh fuck I read who would you vote out.

I vote for Lisi out of loyalty.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:30:11 pm 
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Alina wrote:
I think it's obvious I vote for Cat.

1) I think she's the bigger threat over Lisi. She probz has Brenda/Erinn's votes on lock. And I don't think they vote for Lisi so Ig et those two, and probably along with Cats.

2) Look at the relationship Lisi and I have had. We had each other's abcks since the merge. I mean...I would never vote her out, espeically once Nay and Monica wer gone.

Anything else Katie?


Ill clarify my question. If you are the last member of the jury, thus leaving Lisi and Cat in the F2, who do you vote for to WIN and WHY


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:30:34 pm 
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Alina wrote:
Oh fuck I read who would you vote out.

I vote for Lisi out of loyalty.


Ok thank you


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:30:39 pm 
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Yul wrote:
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Yul wrote:
I only 'betrayed' Nay because she started to throw my name around, which was proven correct. I don't 'betray' someone unless they 'betray' me first. My 'betrayal' was not unprovoked.


I get that but....you know Nay was close to me, and I saw that as somewhat of a betrayl to me, going against th e7.


I can understand that, but I still don't think that it warrants you voting with me for two rounds and then coming to me like you never actually cared to begin with. Again, I didn't start thinking about voting for you until you blatantly said to me that you had no interest in sticking with me.

If you think that I'm going to keep Nay in the game when she's getting people to vote for me, unprovoked, then I don't know what you expect.


I mean...what did you want me to do, lie to your face? I wasn't gong to vote Lisi ever, and if Cat won immunity which she did, I vote you. I get that yo voted for me and I'm ok with that.

I know you would never keep Nay, but I mean....if you think I'm going to want to work with you after you target and vote out a close ally of mine....lol


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:36:10 pm 
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Katie,

To address your points first. Yes my social game may have been lacking, but this was due to the fact that I have a full time job and am actually sitting at work while you are all online (including right now). Not to mention that I’m from Australia so I live in a completely different timezone. I knew this coming in, so I had to adjust my game accordingly. To make up for my lack of a social game, I knew I had to make some moves, and the best way to do that was with idols. I used the time where I was actually at home (while you guys were all asleep) to find the idols.

To your questions:
1. I think it would depend on how the F3 vote played out. Honestly, I think Cat’s very lucky to be sitting here. She’s only here due to an immunity win and being less of a threat than Brenda and Erinn (physically). If Alina manufactured a move to get herself to the end at the F3, then I would reward that.

2. Firstly, I’m not gonna hide behind my idol play. As much as some of you may hate idols, they’re as much a part of the game as alliances, challenge wins etc. If that’s a strategy that gets me to the end, then what’s wrong with that? I mean, Cat wouldn’t be sitting here today if it wasn’t for winning the last challenge. And Alina wouldn’t be sitting here if it wasn’t for me playing the idols.

But anyway, as for my best moves in the game minus idols. My first would be in the opening days of the game when myself and Yul were able to ensure that Parv and Cristina didn’t take control of the tribe. That first vote really set the tone of the game.

My second move was to position myself in a final 5 situation with Yul and Alina, two people who I knew weren’t going to vote me off. This meant that in the final 5, I had put myself in the best position of anyone to make it to the end. In final 4, there was no way that I was being voted off. Cat needed an immunity win. Alina and Yul needed me and you to vote with them. I didn’t need anything.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:36:58 pm 
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Hey Katie, I first just want to address my guilt thing you mentioned. I know you don't know me very well outside of hosting you and then playing with you in this series. But my guilt thing wasn't me not owning up to things entirely. I was truly not wanting to make that move on Lisi that night and wanted to vote for Alina and not Erinn. My opener explains the situation there. That said, I am an emotional person and I get attached to people in these things. I geniunely hate having to make decisions that fuck people over who I am working with and love in the game. That isn't a ploy or an an act. I felt awful about every single vote I cast in this game save for Monica's. I know it's hard to grasp how I am, but that's just the truth.

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The question for ALL three of you is:
In a final twist, it is revealed that it is a F2, instead of a F3, and you become the last member of the jury. Who would you vote for and why?


If I was the final juror in a Final 2 of Alina vs. Lisi, I would vote for Alina hands down. Lisi played this game by finding HIIs and then getting lucky enough to use them at the right times. Her social games was atrocious. Even when I would send her a paragraph, she'd send me 3 words. I never fully trusted her and didn't really like her that much in this game. I tried voting her out 2-3 times. Alina on the other hand, even with her annoyances, she trumps Lisi in every way possible..

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Catalie: I would like you to explain your strategy on HOW you planned to get to the F3 from the time I was voted off until the last tribal council. Basically clue me in on your endgame stategy from the moment I left, until the moment Yul left.


After you left, I knew I had to seperate myself from Brenda to get to the end, but at the same time stick with her the next round too. Which is why I tied the vote at F6. If that worked, Brenda, Erinn and I would be final 3. If it didn't, I knew I had to keep and foster my realtionships with Yul and Alina and I did that. Even after I voted him, I was still playing with Yul, and Alina and I already had a deal to stick together. I laid this out in my opener, but basically I made sure that people thought they needed me and that I wasn't a threat to them. Granted, I know that Erinn left over me because of challengeprowess, but once she was out, I knew that winning immunity was my only true shot at getting to the end, so I stayed up all night and did that. And that is how I got here.

I used my social games and connections every time. I think it worked the best for me.

I hope that answers your questions, Katie. Thank you and I am sorry if I hurt you in this game, I never meant to.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:39:13 pm 
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Lisi wrote:
In final 4, there was no way that I was being voted off. Cat needed an immunity win. Alina and Yul needed me and you to vote with them. I didn’t need anything.


That sentence should read: "Alina and Yul needed me and Cat to vote with them", not me and you obviously icon_razz


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:39:56 pm 
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Lisi wrote:
Katie,

To address your points first. Yes my social game may have been lacking, but this was due to the fact that I have a full time job and am actually sitting at work while you are all online (including right now). Not to mention that I’m from Australia so I live in a completely different timezone. I knew this coming in, so I had to adjust my game accordingly. To make up for my lack of a social game, I knew I had to make some moves, and the best way to do that was with idols. I used the time where I was actually at home (while you guys were all asleep) to find the idols.

To your questions:
1. I think it would depend on how the F3 vote played out. Honestly, I think Cat’s very lucky to be sitting here. She’s only here due to an immunity win and being less of a threat than Brenda and Erinn (physically). If Alina manufactured a move to get herself to the end at the F3, then I would reward that.

2. Firstly, I’m not gonna hide behind my idol play. As much as some of you may hate idols, they’re as much a part of the game as alliances, challenge wins etc. If that’s a strategy that gets me to the end, then what’s wrong with that? I mean, Cat wouldn’t be sitting here today if it wasn’t for winning the last challenge. And Alina wouldn’t be sitting here if it wasn’t for me playing the idols.

But anyway, as for my best moves in the game minus idols. My first would be in the opening days of the game when myself and Yul were able to ensure that Parv and Cristina didn’t take control of the tribe. That first vote really set the tone of the game.

My second move was to position myself in a final 5 situation with Yul and Alina, two people who I knew weren’t going to vote me off. This meant that in the final 5, I had put myself in the best position of anyone to make it to the end. In final 4, there was no way that I was being voted off. Cat needed an immunity win. Alina and Yul needed me and you to vote with them. I didn’t need anything.


Thanks, Lisi. I highlighted why I probably wont vote for you tonight. Basically, one of your best strategic moves in THE GAME was Catalie bad strategic move.

Playing 4 Idols in 3 rounds is a pretty amazing feat though. Good luck.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:40:32 pm 
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Thank you, Katie.

Next up, I'll post what Paloma has written.


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