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Re: Day 35 - Final Tribal Council.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:04:56 pm 
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I love you too, Alina <3


but u boacjo me on aim

oh also im drunk off my rocker


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Re: Day 35 - Final Tribal Council.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:21:43 pm 
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Re: Day 35 - Final Tribal Council.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:22:24 pm 
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Thanks for all the questions, and I hope I was able to clear a few things up about my gameplay, and show that despite not being able to play a good social game at all, I had the biggest impact on how the game played out and I was consequently able to position myself as the person in control by the end of the game.

Catalie played a game full of lies and betrayal, but for what gain? None of her moves even paid off. She lied and betrayed because I ruined all of her plans. She wanted to go to the end with her alliance, but I single-handedly voted them off. She wanted to keep Na Onka around for her own gain, but her own alliance overpowered her. She thought she was close to Alina, but she had no idea how close Alina and I actually were. She voted Katie out, which turned out to be the biggest mistake for her alliance in this whole game, handing complete control of the game to me and meaning she needed immunity to stay alive. She only made it to the end of the game because she was a weaker threat than players like Yul, Katie and Brenda.

Alina played the game as my right hand woman. She did everything I did, minus the actual finding and playing the idols part. If it wasn't for me, she would've been swallowed up by the majority and voted out well before the end of the game.

I played this game with limited capabilities in regards to a social game. I knew that coming in, so I planned accordingly. I got myself in the majority on day 1 to ensure that I would be safe in the meantime. Once the numbers ran out, I connected with another group of people. This was enough to ensure that when I played my first idol, we would have the majority to negate any vote. I knew that I had the capability to find any idol I wanted to. I wasn't afraid to play an idol at one Tribal Council, because I knew I'd be able to find another one in the next day or two. Idols are part of the game, and I took advantage of it.

My connections with Yul, Alina and Nay ensured that I always received idol clues, even though I wasn't given any myself. It also ensured that I knew exactly which way the vote was going to go, meaning I was able to successfully play an idol 3 times.

I deliberately eliminated all of Yul's closest allies, so that he would be forced to have me as his number 1. I knew that if I was able to do that, I could trust him when we got down to the end. I also kept my closest ally, Alina, right by my side, knowing that I could count on her after all we'd been through during the game. No one realised how tight we were. I made sure that myself, Alina and Yul were all sitting there at the final 5.

So after all was said and done, despite having limited social game capabilities, I was the one who ended up in control of the game at the end. Not Cat, not Alina, but me. I had less to work with than them, and I made it work. They didn't. Their plans failed. My plans came to fruition.

I hope that when you vote, you recognise that despite my shortcomings, I was the one here who controlled the game. When I tried a move, it worked. And it's what got me here.


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Re: Day 35 - Final Tribal Council.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:49:07 pm 
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Re: Day 35 - Final Tribal Council.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:21:08 am 
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Ok. It's 12:20 AM. I loe this game an this sries but i need sleep. :/

Plus with hust MIA for so long idk


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Re: Day 35 - Final Tribal Council.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:52:41 am 
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Hello there ladies. :)
Firstly, I'm going to congratulate all three of you. No matter what beef I may have had with you prior to my boot, I have to give credit where credit is due. All three of you definitely outplayed me and blah blah fucking blah you get it. icon_razz

Catalie: Lets say I'm not idoled, Naonka is booted at nine and the KAsians remain dominant all the way to the final five. I've been reading that I'd be left out to dry at 5th...why do you think this is? Please elaborate on what made me a threat over someone like Yul or Brenda. It's a bit confounding. Hell, after reading some posts in Ponderosa, even Katie and Yul didn't want me to stick around. icon_whistling

Lisi: Time zones, limestones, you have zero excuse for having such a piss-poor social game. At times I would leave you a paragraph or two and you'd reply with three or four words. What is the deal with this? I really made an attempt to get to know everyone at least somewhat in this game (Even fucking Sekou) but with you it was seriously like pulling teeth. Even pre-merge, it was like I was putting ALL the effort in PMing you. Do you understand the sort of vibe this gives off? It's pretty stand-offish and one of the reasons Katie/Yul/Myself flipped on the NuChaangs and voted with Brenda/Cat. We didn't know if you could be trusted with Alina and the others. We knew there was a relationship kindling. You were just plain stand-offish and I didn't know if I could ever trust you. During pre-merge half of your PMs composed of the occasional "cool man" or "yeah, good idea". I mean, sometimes simplicity has its own profundity but sorry, this is a big strike against you Lisi. Sorry.

Alina: Pick a number between 1 and 100. If you're ten numbers within the number I am thinking of, you have my vote. Can't hurt your chances.

ONE MORE THING:
It's a bit of a Survivor FTC question staple but I thought I'd ask. I'd like for all three of you to tell me why you think the other two played a better game than you and deserve the win more. Praise your opponent as best you can. Make a convincing argument for them. icon_mml

Good luck to all three of you.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:47:43 am 
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Daniel, you've gotta understand that I work full time too. I simply don't have the time to write full paragraph answers 10 times a day to people. In fact, i'm damn lucky today that my boss isn't at work while I'm writing this.

But anyway, yes I played a bad social game, that's a strike against me. But I also played a good physical game (if you remember back to my performances on Nu-Seuua especially), and a strategic game which saw me eliminate most of the big threats in this game, including you.

How about strikes against the others? Cat might have played a good social game and an ok physical game, but her strategic game was hugely flawed. She never really made one successful move. And Alina, whilst a good player, didn't really excel at any of the categories, be it physical, strategic or social.

I might have had a poor social game, but why should social game be the deciding factor? In spite of my social game, I was still the one who grabbed control of this game. I think that speaks to my good play in other areas, and to Cat and Alina's poor play in other areas, that they weren't able to control the game at all.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:29:56 am 
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Oh Lisi, Making moves isn't necessarily indicative to idoling people out. I hope you realize this? I used my social game to make moves that weren't just limited to voting people out of the game. I had to make moves by having people work with me and keep me here. People trusted me and I didn't fuck them off with 3 word PMs, I wasn't in the situations and alliances I was in without my social game. That is why a social game is a factor in deserving to win or getting credit for it.

My strategy was to keep myself safe and get to the end. I did this, how was that flawed? And what's more, I still did it without the people I was aligned with all game and merge. I adapted and worked the game and you can't discredit that.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:45:47 am 
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Yeo but everyone's strategy is to get to the end. You can't just say "my strategy was to make it to the end, and I did, so I played a great strategic game". You getting to the end had nothing to do with your own strategy. Your strategy was to take control of the game with Brenda and get to the end. I was the one who gained control though, and the only reasons that you are sitting here today are 1) I saw Katie, Brenda, Erinn (physically) and Daniel as better strategists than you so I eliminated them instead, and 2) because you won the last challenge.

I made it here through strategy, you made it here through other factors.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:16:08 am 
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Oh Hai Daniel, you have been gone for forever. D: It feels like so damn long ago.

Daniel wrote:
Catalie: Lets say I'm not idoled, Naonka is booted at nine and the KAsians remain dominant all the way to the final five. I've been reading that I'd be left out to dry at 5th...why do you think this is? Please elaborate on what made me a threat over someone like Yul or Brenda. It's a bit confounding. Hell, after reading some posts in Ponderosa, even Katie and Yul didn't want me to stick around. icon_whistling


I can't exactly say if you would have been left out to dry at 5th, Daniel. I don't know what the others have said, but from my end, I did not even get that far into conversations about what was happening when it got down to us. All that talk, started the morning of your boot and never got any further.

Yul talked to me about Final 5 and sent me a PM about it like 2-3 hours after I got one from you, and he said it would not be as cut and dry as you, him and Katie picking me and Brenda off in 5th and 4th place.

Katie and I discussed tons of scenarios before hand. She told me she wanted Yul out at 6th for example and wanted us to go to the end with you from what I remember. That could have been total bullshit on her part to make me feel comfortable though, I don't know.

And with Brenda and I. We hadn't ever talked about the future rounds to be honest like that when you were still around. But just in general, it was always round by round with us. Although, I know she would have opted to go with you and not after you at 5. She was always talking about how Yul and especially Katie were threats. I actually think if you made F5 with us, you would have been in the most powerful position.

As for why some people would want you out 5th.. I don't really know. It could have been they were closer to the others or really did want and epic tie at Final 4. icon_surprised

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ONE MORE THING:
It's a bit of a Survivor FTC question staple but I thought I'd ask. I'd like for all three of you to tell me why you think the other two played a better game than you and deserve the win more. Praise your opponent as best you can. Make a convincing argument for them. icon_mml


Alina - She played a better game than me because she didn't play to be a threat, she played a ridiculous shtick where she was always paranoid and crying and it worked to get people so annoyed by her, they wanted to keep her around and that worked perfectly into her master plan. And now here she is, sitting at the end, even when no one really liked her but her allies and even they hated what she did in the game she still managed to get to the end and that is amazing. She was brilliant and that is why she deserves to win the most.

Lisi - She did not have time enough to spend online to PM, but that was part of her plan. She made sure she was connected to no one but Alina and that any free time she did have at work, would be better spent breaking into the HII forums rather than PMing people. She knew that if she spent her time doing that, she could play them on the obvious votes in the rounds she did and that would help her take control of the game. She was voted for time and time again mainly because she was a massive threat and if she wasn't ousted, she would win the whole thing. And here she is, just like she planned. Really, I don't see how she is not winning 8-0

I think that's what you wanted, right? Image

Thank you for questions and I can't wait to find out who you are. icon_wub Cus I seriously have no fucking clue. icon_laughing


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Re: Day 35 - Final Tribal Council.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:45:34 am 
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Catalie wrote:
I adapted and worked the game and you can't discredit that.


I did exactly the same, and your discrediting my game.

I had two people I knew I could trust - Yul and Alina, and I made sure they were in the final 5 with me. So despite not having the best social game, I had two people who trusted me completely in the final 5 with me. How many did you have?

You're saying that you're still here because you adapted. No you're not. You're still here because I decided that Dan, Katie, Brenda and Yul were bigger threats than you. I could've voted you off any time I wanted. There were just much bigger fish to fry. Unless you're saying your whole game was about making you seem less threatening to me?

Daniel, to answer your last question, since Cat is being condoscending about it, if you wanna vote for someone who's only here because she was the least threatening person in her alliance of 5, then Cat is your woman. If you wanna vote for a loyal ally, vote Alina.

I think I deserve to win because I outplayed them when it counted.


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It's a bit of a Survivor FTC question staple but I thought I'd ask. I'd like for all three of you to tell me why you think the other two played a better game than you and deserve the win more. Praise your opponent as best you can. Make a convincing argument for them.

Ok. First off my computer is on the fritz right now so bear with me.

Lisi - If you're considering voting for me at all, don't. just vote for Lisi. Without her I am asolutely nothing.Without her all my nonallies are still in the game and I have no way of doing well. I know she'll get shit about idols but that's apart of the game, and she was able to utilize that.

Cat - Despite beig a huge threat, she managed to make it all the way to the end. Unlike me and Lisi, she had control over who goes home and an actual say in what goes on in this game. She should have never made it to the end and honestly for this alone she deserves to win


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Lisi, it's quite apparent you are insanely insecure with your own game, as you have been focusing on mine through out this entire Final Tribal Council.

You didn't even answer Daniel's question correctly in the first place, I answered Daniel's question with some sarcasm and humor because I wanted to. If he doesn't like it, he doesn't. If he does, that's fine too. I have talked up my own game and haven't actually attacked the games of yours or Alina's unless I was asked. I don't think I needed to. But clearly it's not the same situation from your end. The fact that you can sit here and say I am still here and in this game because you decided I could be is such a massive delusion, I just can't with you anymore. Good luck to you. That is all I have left to say to or about you and your game here.


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Re: Day 35 - Final Tribal Council.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:45:10 am 
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You haven't needed to talk much about my game because I'm not being given any credit by many of the jurors. I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot and you were the one getting blasted you'd be doing exactly the same thing. After all, your motto throughout the game has been that you'll "do anything to win the game". But when anyone else tries to do anything, you kick up a stink. If you wanna play like that the whole game, stop being hypocritical about it all. You can't play hard all the time and then apologise and expect that no one else will do the same.


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